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Dr. Bowen Talking to the Special Postgraduate Program, Tape VB0434, Part Two from TMBAP on Vimeo.
Dr. Bowen discusses how schizophrenia is a model for all of us not separate from us. He details how to set up a relationship in therapy so the therapist promises only what they can do and does not become a liar. From June 1984.
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– Way back in about, oh good Lord, back in the 1940s and 50s, I got into one which call the breach of promise in a relationship which is very important in people who become the most impaired people, but it’s important in everybody. And that is the promising something which cannot be. In the mental health profession, it had been an absolute demon at this. In the breach of promise in a relationship. The news media is filled with a breach of promise. The news media promises that if you take a problem to a mental health professional, it will get fixed. The hell, you say. So that the very being of the profession engages in what I would call a breach of promise. And you don’t know what in the world it is you have to offer, you don’t know how it’s gonna work out. So my posture to that very early, and that was from fooling around with this thing in all kinds of ways, backwards and forwards, trying to focus primarily on schizophrenia. Why schizophrenia? Because that is the ultimate problem. That is the problem in everybody, only it is more exaggerated. I’ve been so the mental health of the world, all things being equal, has said things like, I started my family research with schizophrenia. Well, I’ll be damned. And in the head of the average person, they would make schizophrenia one thing and the rest of the world something else, and in my opinion, it’s all the same. So I approach the total family thing through schizophrenia. I wasn’t dealing just with schizophrenia. But people hear that in some, in ways that would make schizophrenia separate from all the rest of us. I read something last year would say that since I started out doing research on schizophrenia and I didn’t find an answer to it so the whole theory should be thrown out. It was one man’s version of it. And as I would hear it, that would be the version of a man who would see schizophrenia as separate from. But I think, to my way of thinking, it is a model for all of us. So when you see the things that happen between a schizophrenic and another person, you see an exaggerated version of what can be with everybody. So when you’re dealing with schizophrenia, you better not get caught in a breach of promise because if you promise something that is not forthcoming, then you have become a liar and all kinds of other things in between, whatever they wanna call you. But is there, when you promise something that is not forthcoming. So in those years, long before, and is perpetuated in everything that has to do with family, I would say that I would lend, I would try very hard to be predictable, to be on time, to do what it is what I say I’m gonna do, and if I can’t do it, to say so ahead of time. And to merely say that I would give it the best try I could give it, but I’m not promising anything. So the rest of it depends on the person. And I used to, could say to schizophrenia, that all things being equal, if you keep working on this, it will turn out okay and I will be working in that direction. A percentage works out, and a percentage doesn’t. But you can depend on me being here as long as you want it. I’ll still be here if you wanna go away and you wanna come back, I’ll still be here when you get back. I’m not gonna hold you, I’m not gonna force anything on you, it’s gonna be here when you want it. And with that kind of an approach, always worked beautifully with schizophrenia. And they would get mad and they would terminate, but they would be back. With that kind of a working proposition from me, which is in a relationship.